• Hot Saucerman@lemmy.mlEnglish
    39213·
    10 months ago

    Socialists don’t hate markets, they hate workers not having any power or democratic choice in how they interact in the market.

    Workers owning the means of production just means the workers are doing the same work but they are in ownership of the factory and the profits. They will still sell the products they produce in a marketplace.

  • Dubious_Fart@lemmy.mlEnglish
    17417·
    10 months ago

    I think you will find any place thats well moderated and cracks down on bigotry and hatespeech will skew left.

    Weird how that is, huh?

  • beef_curds [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    1516·
    10 months ago

    You’ll be happy to know there’s a social media site just like lemmy run by capitalists. It has all the benefits that capitalist ownership provides.

  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
    17030·
    10 months ago

    Do conservatives on lemmy ever do anything but whine that they’re not immediately worshiped for their opinions?

    • Hot Saucerman@lemmy.mlEnglish
      748·
      10 months ago

      Conservatives seem to do that everywhere, no matter where they are. Just look at the website formerly known as Twitter… All it has is right wing shitheels and they’ve turned on each other for not worshipping each others opinions. Hell Musk just blocked Catturd2.

    • PeleSpirit@lemmy.worldEnglish
      346·
      10 months ago

      They (the trolling kind) definitely had a system going on Reddit, they haven’t figured it out yet here though. Don’t count on them not figuring out here, they’re a wily bunch and have still stirred up quite a bit of trouble too much of the time.

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
        134·
        10 months ago

        They (the trolling kind) definitely had a system going on Reddit, they haven’t figured it out yet here though.

        On reddit, they whined until the mods started protecting them and every “civility” rule became a “don’t sass the nazis” rule.

        Hopefully lemmy’s mods are better than that.

        • PeleSpirit@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          10 months ago

          I think it depends on each one and the instance you’re on. But yeah, I hope it doesn’t go that route too far.

      • bravosimona@lemmy.world
        21·
        10 months ago

        That’s the problem with this website. It’s full of morons that call anyone that’s to the right of Marx either a conservative or a fascist, never mind the fact that a lot of them defend the fascist invasion of Ukraine.

        Fact is, the only system that actually improved the lives of the majority of people when put into practice was the free market social democracy that used to exist in the west before the rise of neoliberalism. But that’s too complex for these simpletons, who can’t comprehend the fact that public ownership can exist alongside private enterprise competing in a market kept free by government regulation. So they just keep shouting about the means of production and hope something will happen.

    • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml
      11·
      9 months ago

      Do conservatives on lemmy ever do anything but whine that they’re not immediately worshiped for their opinions?

      Fixed

    • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
      167·
      10 months ago

      Hexbear also has a large number of Putin and CCP apologists. Authoritarian bootlicking isn’t liberalism.

    • Kidplayer_666@lemm.eeOP
      1610·
      10 months ago

      Liberal? They’re as extreme as conservatives who call communism everything they don’t like (cause they call everything they don’t like “fascist”)

      • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        734·
        10 months ago

        (cause they call everything they don’t like “fascist”)

        Maybe you don’t understand what fascism is.

        Or maybe you do, and you’re a supporter of it.

      • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        675·
        10 months ago

        I believe the comrade is making a joke about our politics. Not everything we don’t like is fascism, some of it is liberalism. But of course, we all know what bleeds when a liberal gets scratched.

      • American_Badass [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        10·
        10 months ago

        This is essentially what I used to think as well, until I spent more time there. There’s some stock phrases busted out, and some users probably leave it at that and don’t engage beyond it. However, they genuinely have a deeper framework for an analysis of the world than what you’re going to see from conservatives.

        Basically as part of their extremely liberal ideology, they analyze things through a materialist lens, even the non-marxist liberals there, and through that there is a lot of seeking out of what material causes and contradictions have lead to where we are which can be really neat.

        There is probably some disagreement over what is fascist, what’s not, blah blah. But it’s really not as simple as “what I don’t like is fascism”.

      • NoSuchNarwhal@midwest.social
        106·
        10 months ago

        Eh, it’s a lot like reddit.

        Two thirds of the rabid ones here are keyboard socialists. They type a good game, know all the stock phrases, but when it comes to actually doing shit, well, touching grass is scary.

        They stay inside and rant and rave about how things SHOULD be while we are out there actually making the incremental changes to try to bring it about.

        Then they post and pat themselves on the back for saying we’re not doing enough.

        It’s very clear that this is every bit the senseless, thoughtless, reactionary, pathetic echo chamber that t_d was, just with red flags instead of red hats.

        Thank you all for helping me to realize that so quickly.

        • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          706·
          10 months ago

          They stay inside and rant and rave about how things SHOULD be while we are out there actually making the incremental changes to try to bring it about.

          Incremental changes like allowing abortion bans, trans bans, the cost of living to skyrocket, drone striking workers around the world, doing nothing about the climate, allowing millions of avoidable covid deaths for the sake of the rich… Oh and presiding over the restoration of child labour? Those incremental changes? Anything I missed?

          You’re useless. You are projecting enormously when you say we socialists only talk when literally everything is going backwards even when you’re in power.

          What do you even do anyway? Are you organising? Or do you just vote every few years and act like that means you do something? We organise.

            • Flaps [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              12·
              10 months ago

              Me personally, I teach and make my students aware of the dictatorship of capital, imperialism, the profite motive… Basically marxism-leninism 101 on a introductionary level.

              Other than that, I’m active in the teachers union and volunteer in the local chapter of the Marxist leninist party tog et local projects of the ground, like extending the public transport network, social housing, and most important of all, talking with people about their problems, the rise of fascism where I live and how to counter it, as well as the current neoliberal line of thought in both local and federale government.

              What have you done?

            • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              554·
              10 months ago

              Team? You’re not on our fucking team you side with fascists every fucking chance you get. You’re fake, full of shit and untrustworthy allies.

              Comrade Patrick Stewart playing Lenin says it best.

              brigading people

              And brigading ain’t fucking organising numbnuts, nor is anyone doing any brigading when it’s at the top of our /all/ page right now. I’m talking about unions, salting, activist groups, direct action, REAL shit. Not fucking voting and posting on the internet. What do you do? Anything at all?

              Completely skipped over the fact that ALL of the above things happen when liberals are in power too didn’t ya? Just utterly sidestepped it. You ignore the reality happening in front of your eyes and only listen to meaningless words. You’re naive as fuck and very easily fooled.

            • Tomboys_are_Cute [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              501·
              10 months ago

              I can’t speak for everyone but there are a lot of union members and organisers among the ranks of Hexbear. Before I went back to school I used to organise with my local Tennant Union personally, but trying to balance 2 jobs, school, and organising work came to be a bit much for me so I guess we really aren’t that different

            • ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml
              171·
              10 months ago

              brigading

              Once again, the moment someone whips this one out, all I gotta do is look at when they joined. And see yup, that’s a reddit refugee. Works 100% of the time, every time.

              You’ve been here two weeks, cool your jets and enjoy federation.

            • motherfucker [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              161·
              10 months ago

              The site actively recruits for communist orgs, mutual aid groups, and provides resources for labor organizers. My organizing committee at work exists because of Hexbear, for better or worse.

        • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          669·
          10 months ago

          while we are out there actually making the incremental changes to try to bring it about.

          lmao most of the activism by liberals here is voting every 2 - 4 years and posting, don’t kid yourself. Just keep carrying water for an unrepentant segregationist and telling yourself that the incremental steps you are supporting are towards progress and not a third world war.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          362·
          10 months ago

          while we are out there actually making the incremental changes

          Oh, like choosing between the fascist hog and the cryptofascist corpo hog? vote

        • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          343·
          10 months ago

          They stay inside and rant and rave about how things SHOULD be while we are out there actually making the incremental changes to try to bring it about.

          Phonebanking for Biden doesn’t count as doing shit btw

  • Egon [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    1158·
    10 months ago

    “wealth for many” yeah but not the majority, and oh whoops what happened to the rest? Oh boy would you look at that they’re all destitute because capital needs a reserve army of labour in order to function.

    Oh whoops would you look at that the market has a tendency to create a monopoly, that’s weird.

    Oh wait would you look at that the regulations are ineffective because the capitalists hold outsized influence in literally every capitalist “democracy” due to them holding the means of production, them having more resources available, which then gives them more time and ability to influence elections. Oh whoops media is a market and media shapes perception how did that happen?

    Corruption isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.

    Reality has a Marxist bias

  • Pectin8747@lemmy.ml
    11613·
    10 months ago

    My experience has been the opposite. I’ve found that the majority of users tend to lean towards neoliberal and center-right ideologies. I guess most of them are probably American, so their warped worldview has them considering these ideologies as ‘left-wing’ instead 🙃

  • TheGreatFox@lemm.ee
    1086·
    10 months ago

    uncorrupt government

    I think you meant “free real estate for the CIA and their a puppet dictators”.

    It’s what happens every time another country doesn’t want to sell their natural resources for pennies.