Summary
At the Munich Security Conference, JD Vance criticized European leaders for suppressing free speech, mishandling migration, and ignoring populist concerns.
He questioned whether Europe’s values still aligned with America’s and warned of a “threat from within,” rather than Russia or China.
His speech, which largely avoided discussing Ukraine, shocked attendees and drew condemnation from EU and German officials but was praised by Russian state media.
Vance’s private meeting with Germany’s far-right AfD leader and his dismissal of mainstream politicians further deepened tensions between the U.S. and Europe.
suppressing free speech
Shutting out far-right racists and literal foreign agitators
mishandling migration
Racism
and ignoring populist concerns
More racism
Feels like the New Axis is starting to take tangible shape.
mishandling migration
Racism
Are you calling it racism because Vance said it, or would you claim that anyone who thinks migration in Europe has been mishandled is racist?
Perhaps some genuine criticism could be levied at the specifics of their immigration policy, but this is JD Vance, that’s not what he’s here for.
When he talks about “shared values” and “what you are fighting for” he’s talking about white Christian dominance in Europe and defending it with the sword. The far right has long seen Europe as a failure of progressive decadence and moral weakness and this speech was a blatant expression of that.
That is why the far right rejects European countries and cozies up to Russia, because the American conservative and the Russian nationalist have quite a lot of “shared values.”
Vance racist? He loves his wife despite her being Indian!
Thanks for clarifying, that is reasonable
I now know I’m truly not on reddit.
This is the exception. Usually it’s even worse than reddit, especially when ml joins the thread.
Putin is getting a brilliant return on his investment.
Dig deeper. This is Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin. Pootin is an accidental beneficiary.
https://newrepublic.com/article/183971/jd-vance-weird-terrifying-techno-authoritarian-ideas
Russia: Great intelligence services, shit army, no navy
Well got to min max and humans historical max out the Intel Stat versus other animals so it’s traditionally move. Plus you know, massive embezzlement opportunities.
“The mice in fact are tyrannical oppressors for not opening the door to listen to what the fox has to say!” - JD Vance
Nope, mister G.O.Pudge, we do not have to include Nazis.
What does the fox say?
Fuck off with that BS. We don’t need you authoritarians to illegitimise our leaders, insert a racism wedge between us and misrepresent what our “populous” wants. We know that our values are not aligned with a conservative, VP-to-fucking-trump, Putin’s puppet, project 2025 POS. And we don’t need to look for a “threat of within” when we need to stand united against russia and now US influence.
When AfD neo nazis, the richest asshole in the world, the US leadership, Putin and north Korea all praise and support each other we can see through your BS.
“blistering attack” is one way to say it, I’d say bigoted rambling is better way to describe it
Hey, at least they didn’t use “slammed” again.
We will be squished in between Putin and his lapdog. Fuck this timeline.
“Vance leaves the US and thinks the rest of the world thinks of highly of him as his brain-dead countrymen do.”
He’s such a fucking buffoon.
He’s just reading what his Russian speech writer told him to.
America is a big dumb golem used to do the violent bidding of whoever is able to control it - mainly Israel and Russia.
Europe America is lost. Protect yourselves from us.
the french did some great stuff with just a metal blade
And a bit of timber.
That dipshit has no right to criticize anyone.
This is the guy who is an apologist to anti-Indian hate speech… while being married to an ethnic Indian.
putin’s bitch. so what?
death to america?
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mishandling migration, and ignoring populist concerns.
I think Vance is a tool, but can someone explain how these two points aren’t objectively true?
“Mishandling migration” is a pessimist position. With this position you can be wrong all the time, and then when an event occurs that false in the pessimistic view “you” claim full victory. It is similar to the story of doctors and a terminal patient that keeps outliving the diagnosis (although doctors dont celebrate the moment thay are proven right).
For example why “populist concerns” are not to be taken too seriously are football hooligans. True (white) nationals tearing down city centres, yet you don’t hear anything about “bad integration” or “religion of peace”, or any conversation from that corner.
“In Germany, a firewall has long existed preventing mainstream parties from engaging with the far-right Alternative für Deutschland owing to its Nazi origins. But Vance said there was no room for such barriers.”
Is this the ‘populism’ you’re so concerned about?
While Vance is whining about European censorship, his boss in the US is throwing legitimate press organizations out of the White House briefing room and removing any mention of people of color or LGBT people from education and government documentation.
I didn’t mention the censorship because he is wrong about that
I also don’t agree with his quote about “no need for barriers”. I wasn’t aware he had said that.
He is referring to the poor handling of migration in Europe, which is true. And the general ignoring of popular outrage at how migration is managed.
That he is a fascist dickhead is indicative of the problem. Many many people who are not racist think migration is handled terribly in Europe and the problem is moderate politicians are hopelessly slow to engage with this and as a result the only people talking about it are fascist nutbags…
For Vance, this is just “otherism”. It’s an old trick — your problems are not something you actually need to take responsibility for — it’s all the fault of the “others” in your country. While migration may be a hot mess, the republicans play the card of “all crime is due to these others”. Pay no attention to the grifters elected in the US currently stealing all your money and data.
Indeed. Which makes it an even bigger problem that there are hardly enough moderate politicians saying “here’s what we hear you saying about migration and he’s what we will actually do to rectify that”
It’s a good point you make.
Migration being a model for creating both a scapegoat and a lowest of the low wage slavery class is a capitalist and fascist strategy. Vance acts as a critic of it, but right wingers, populists, are never onboard with enabling new residents to have better chances, education, work etc.
I want to join in the take of “What an out-of-touch moron” but I honestly think Germany might be fucked. Meetings with AfD behind closed doors and no one in the German government appearing to have a spine to do anything about it indicates that Germany is just the next in line to slide slowly back into fascism.
France is not far behind, either.
