Starmer to join Macron-led European crisis summit on Trump’s Ukraine plan
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French president Emmanuel Macron calls for urgent talks in Paris on Sunday amid fears US leader is sidelining allies

Europe will be consulted – but ultimately excluded – from the planned peace talks between Russia, the US and Ukraine, Donald Trump’s special envoy for Ukraine has revealed.

Asked if Europe would be present at the planned talks, Keith Kellogg said he was from “the school of realism, and that is not going to happen”.

  • barsik077@lemm.eeEnglish
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    9 days ago

    That implies how relevant the voice of Europe in any decision making is. How it’s treated by the US.

  • cheese_greater@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 days ago

    And Trump’s ______ of anything tend not to be super credible and reliable, think I’ll wait to hear Zelensky’s take

    • Paragone@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      9 days ago

      Trump apparently doesn’t let Ukraina have any say in the negotiations, only a take-it-or-leave-it between Trump’s determined “settlement” or continued-war, possibly with Trump backing Russia, as the alternative…

      EU cannot make Trump play by “the rules”.

      As some have, through the years, pointed-out: when some guy with a gun, who seems to be spazzing on drugs, accosts you & demands you cooperate with him…

      the rules are quite different from the normal-social-rules…

      Trump’s going to be in power until the US is completely-destroyed, in Civil War Part2 ( which should begin -/+ 1y of the won’t-be-allowed-to-remove-Trump 2028 election, so there should be nothing-left of usable US of A by … 2032? ).

      Same as with Assad: either he is king/lord, XOR there’s nothing-left-for-anybody.

      & he’s got the whole machinery, CIA, NSA, military, everything, backing him,

      & with all the civil-rights-loyal people quitting as quickly as they can, in protest, so that his authority becomes as unfettered as can be, as quickly as possible…

      ( anti-strategy, but natural, of course )

      What he actually-can-do, isn’t what the “rule books” allow…

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  • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 days ago

    When the “peace talks” consist of Trump getting orders from his owner Putin, neither Ukraine nor Europe will be involved.

  • SarcasticMan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 days ago

    Of course not. They plan on giving away the store, and you can’t do that with the pesky shop keeps there.

    • IndustryStandard@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      9 days ago

      I did not think I linked a live article. The content of the article changed quite a lot. Very strange.

      Unrelated side note: what is “The Observer”? I have not noticed it before. some new think tank?

    • barsik077@lemm.eeEnglish
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      9 days ago

      Not anymore, since 3 years ago. Moreover, the asian part of Russia is way larger than the european one.

  • Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 days ago

    “the school of realism,…”

    If Americans had gone to school or even let the message in a super hero movie reach them they’d see that they are Nazis. 400 million Nazis.

    • Paragone@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      9 days ago

      Sorry, but the ideological-split in the US is such that no-more-than 2/3 of the US could be siding with Nazis.

      No matter how convenient, it isn’t wise karma to be oversimplifying & labeling everybody-in-a-country as being on 1 ideological side.

      Same with Israel, where the good people are finding they cannot speak truth openly, & live in fear…

      Same with the US…

      Same with all countries which go that route.

      In WW2 there were Germans, in Germany, who worked to dismantle/end Nazi rule, for Germany, & they were loyal to their values. 1 book on that is named, iirc, “An Honorable Defeat”.

      Ignoring actual-diversity, for ideological oversimplification, makes one into part-of-the-same-problem, objectively…

      non-thinking, only reacting, just like Nazis…

      Whatever: I don’t expect more than 100 million or 150 million to survive US Civil War Part2’s completion, maybe that’s waaay too optimistic, but given that about 2/3 of the US’s voters are good with male-supremacism & white-supremacism, it’s going to be the most huge & vicious civil war this planet’s seen in awhile, with more guns in it than any previous one ( nearly-all owned by the Trump-side of it, too )…

      maybe I shouldn’t expect more than 50 million to survive it…

      going to be a very-bad next-decade, on this continent…

      … sigh …

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