They may look like travel shampoo bottles and smell like bubblegum, but after a few hundred puffs, some disposable, electronic cigarettes and vape pods release higher amounts of toxic metals than older e-cigarettes and traditional cigarettes, according to a study from the University of California, Davis. For example, one of the disposable e-cigarettes studied released more lead during a day’s use than nearly 20 packs of traditional cigarettes.
I wonder if this is part of why gen Z is turning conservative.
Guess I’m gonna be ultra fucked. I’m not going back to cigarettes. And I already quit nicotine once for seven and a half years. Starting again was the biggest mistake of my life cause I don’t wanna go through that again. Oh well, it’s not like we have much chance at a future anyway.
Dude, I hope you try to quit those too. If you’ve ever met someone who can’t breathe from COPD, it’s a tough time for them.
Nice try Marlboro Man!
Fucking duh
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Just have a cocktail and smoke a cig, it’s better than weed and ecigs! How dare you switch because of rat poison found in our cigs and how the RICH banded hemp due to lobbying by the paper people… not due to anything else! Cool!
I can’t fathom how they’re legal. Disposable e cigarettes? The waste is insane, and the people using then aren’t properly disposing of them either…
There needs to be a $20 deposit on them that you get back when you turn in the empty vape.
Or, hot take, make vapes you can refill.
This. So much effort being put into regulating zero-waste bags and attached bottle cups yet those vapes fly under the radar
Because the Trump and Biden FDA banned everything else already. Now they want to ban whats left in order to push people back toward cigarettes which can still be purchased at every gas station, grocery or convenience store in the country.
They aren’t in the UK, technically, but manufacturers get around it by making them rechargeable.
I’ve read about people that don’t bother recharging them, though.
Have you seen the Brit who made a bicycle battery from disposable ecigs?
He’s the one who made me aware of it, and made me contact political parties about their stance on them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VcVp9T8f_W4&pp=ygUgRGlzcG9zYWJsZSBlIGNpZ2dhcmV0dGVzIGJpY3ljbGU%3D
That’s interesting, thank you. I’ll give that a watch when when my deaf arse isn’t somewhere with loads of ambient noise.
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Just send me all the batteries!!!
Why? Have you heard of Aliexpress?
I buy small lithium ion batteries all the time. Recycling and free is much cooler though
Do you recycle condoms you find on the ground too? Vapes are probably the most disgusting thing recently invented.
TIL e-cigarettes are illegal in Taiwan.
If you read the paper, it assumes a 100% absorption rate of the heavy metals emitted.
I’m not here to defend vapes but I think that is a seriously overlooked flaw in this study. Most people don’t puff a cigarette/vape and hold it in their lungs until it’s completely absorbed.
Couldn’t see anything about the bioavailability of these carcinogens via lungs factored into the absorption rate either.
Ontop of that the sample size from this study is abysmal and from the same manufacturer and there is also a declared conflict of interest.
IMO more studies need to be done before we can conclusively determine the damage and risks of disposable vapes.
They’re comparing it to cigarettes and other vapes.
20 times more lead is still 20 times more lead.
Cigarettes have a myriad of carcinogens like toluene, benzene, formadelhyde, hexamine, napthaline and acetone
Stating that vapes are more toxic than cigarettes over one metric is disingenuous journalism.
I’m not disagreeing about the lead content but studies like this get picked up by journalists with the comprehension of a tomato and are then misconstrued into these fear-creating headlines for engagement.
The adoption of vapes tremendously ate into the big tobacco profits, its an extremely effective way of getting off cigarettes. (for better or worse)
If we instead listened to these studies and developed a similar form of nicotine replacement therapy with harm minimisation in mind under industry regulation we’d do far more for smokers, vapers and our healthcare systems than any fear mongering ‘don’t do it!’ campaigns which time and time again do not work.
lol these ppl didnt experience the ecig subreddit before and after podvapes and tobacco panicking, wild how vaping was made to seem like its worde than literal smoke and thousands of chemicals in your lung lol, also there are cities where breathing is smoking a pack or two a week, or worse maybe, bakersfield ca is like that, guess you can smokehella and live to old age f it
I said they tested them against cigarettes and older vapes.
You’re the one msirepresenting the study.
Do these threats exist in the exhaled smoke? It seems like people around me don’t GAF about the exhaust from vapes.
Sure, but the diesel bus that just drove by you gave you way more cancer than Brad with his Vanilla Mocha vape did.
Those people are jackasses and should be shamed. I quit a 6 year cigarette smoking habit with just one year of using an actual vape, not these shitty gas station things. One of the best decisions I’ve made in my life. The potential for smoking cessation is there. But stupid and obnoxious people set the basis for stereotypes.
You can smell the fucking cotton candy if a guy in a car vapes in front of you.
But omg didn’t he look oh so cool blowing out that massive puff of white toxins from his mouth and nose?
If you’re blowing clouds like that you’re not using the disposable vapes the article talks about. You’re using sub-ohm coils and a larger rig capable of heating coils designed for the task of making big clouds. You’re also using a liquid with a relatively low concentration of freebase nicotine.
Disposables vapes use higher concentrations of nicotine in a salt form rather than freebase, and much smaller quantities of liquid per puff, to deliver a hit that feels more like a cigarette.
Back when I vaped I made my own coils, though eventually I moved on to temperature-controlled ones, which require a purity of metal not found in the cheap-ass nic-salt disposables.
The toxicity is from the coils in the disposables, not from the eliquid and not from rigs.
The article clearly states that some of the toxics were in the e-liquid.
Not positive, but I think it was stated or implied that the toxins were in the liquid because they were leeched from the coil.
Okay, well, again, don’t use disposables. Get your eliquid from a reputable shop. Or mix your own. I did, it’s not hard.
The toxicity is from the coils in the disposables, not from the eliquid and not from rigs.
Lemmy, where the real knowledge they don’t want you know know is, not facebook/conspiracy anymore, but this shit right here.
The cool factor isn’t even there for me. These clowns look like they’re smoking an iPod.
The three “brands” they tested are all from the same outfit, who most certainly sources them all from the same sweatshop in China. This does not apply to all disposables by any stretch. There’s plenty of better reasons to dunk on disposables.
Also, it’s only disposables. I use the rebuildable rtm coils with tiny microcoils I wind myself and cotton at 12W, and I’ve had my blood tested recently per a physcial and lead was on the sheet at a negligible amount.
Some other dude might use an entirely different brand, someone might use pods, someone might use old gear, set in their ways.
And the coils for all of these setups range from pieces of mesh to metal plates to wound pieces of wire to ceramic disks to who knows what. There is no standard.
I saw this same exact comment under another thread that talked about a study, but it was clearly wrong as they were from different parent companies. In this case, the brands aren’t even named in the study. Again, I must ask for source for your claim, but again I don’t expect you to provide it.
The brands are mentioned in the study that is linked in the OP article. Don’t even have to open the pdf as the abstract already has them: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acscentsci.5c00641
Because it’s the same headline on every article. Also, someone else posted the study.
Like I said, the three companies named there are not the same companies, but you claim they are, and are sourcing it from the same Chinese sweatshop, even tho they don’t even seem Chinese.
https://mipod.com/collections/
So, again, can I get a source for your claim that all these are the same company sourcing their stuff from Chinese sweatshop?
Since nobody else will provide the actual clarity
EscobarVape and Elfbar are created by two separate Chinese companies, Shenzhen Innokin Technology Co. Ltd and Shenzhen iMiracle Technology respectively. Mi-Bar is created by an American company but has partnered with Elfbar to distribute Elfbar products in the US
Really wish more people would just provide the facts that speak for themselves, rather than point fingers about who is and isn’t doing their research
Yeah keep on trying to justify your habit. Just admit they’re bad but you like them anyway.
Where was the justification in that post? Did you just wake up this morning and decide to be a dick or is this just normal you?
It’s pretty normal.
Woof…
Looking at you is like looking in a mirror though
where did you mfs come from lmao
Well, I came in your mother.
So expecting actual scientific evidence instead of going based on the vibes of moralizers is just rationalization? Also did you even read their last sentence? Invalid.
Actual scientific study. Gets called not a scientific study. No one looks for the studies of other brands. Angry vaper calls scientists “moralizers,” demands study that favors their views.
Invalid.
You are the dullwit that is trying to apply a study about Chinese made disposable vapes to all vaping.
You’re the dullwit who thinks there’s nothing wrong with inhaling propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, and whatever they fuck is in the “flavor”
Just admit it’s bad for you and then keep doing it, because it’s your fucking body— And I don’t give a shit. But it’s immoral to tell people there’s nothing wrong with it, when they’re definitely is.
Better than leaf. I know who I am. Harm reduction.
Right Fondant.
Yes vaping is worse than not vaping. Its bad. I like them anyway.
Why don’t you take your judgemental attitude and fuck right off bud.
“How dare you not live life the way I think you should!!!”
Christ you people are so annoying.
That interpretation is your own opinion, and not reality. I don’t care if they do it. Just stop pretending it’s not bad. No one should be inhaling a heated/burning chemical that smells and tastes like bubble gum and produces a “smoke” like vapor when you exhale.
What I think is annoying is people who keep trying to make it not sound bad.
I literally said it’s bad. I agree, in an ideal world no one would be smoking or vaping or drinking etc the list goes on and on.
We don’t live in an ideal world.
If I could go back in time and stop my dumbass 16 year old self from smoking, I would. I’m just sick of dipshits like you acting all high and mighty because you don’t have an addiction and don’t understand how hard it is to get off nicotine.
Let people live their lives as they want and mind your own god damn business man. Not that hard.
I wrote a big long post but it boils down I agree with you and you wrote it better.
I beat alcohol after years of trying and more than one rehab. Quitting nicotine right now seems more daunting than the drug that ruined most of my life. It’s that addictive and vaping personally feels better for me than smoking a cigarette.
Congrats! I enjoy my drinks a little more than I should, it’s hard to get past that feeling of “I’m bored, a few beers would be nice”. Seriously, good for you, I’m happy you finally beat it!
Nicotine is hard because it doesn’t have such a strong effect on your life the way alcohol does and it’s (mostly) accepted as a vice that isn’t that big of a deal. No one at work is gonna judge you for having a vape/smoke break like they would if they smelled alcohol on your breath for example. It doesn’t make you hungover, or irritable, or tired because you stayed up to late etc. It simply becomes a part of your daily routine and that’s the hardest part about giving it up. I’ve been addicted to nicotine for 15 years now, 6 on smokes and 9 on vaping. Almost half my life at this point. I’ve tried 5 times to quit and I’ve never been able to make it past a week.
Don’t have an addiction? Who said I didn’t smoke for 15 years? Who said I didn’t use “ecigs” for 5 years. Who said I wasn’t off and on those nicotine mints for years? Who said I don’t fuuuukkinggg love opiates? Who said I haven’t struggled with alcoholism for decades?
You know who’s high and mighty? You.
I don’t pretend my problems are “okay” because I can still hold down a job.
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That’s not what I said — that’s a misrepresentation you’ve cobbled together by ignoring most of my comment and twisting the rest to suit your own narrative.
“Don’t be so judgemental about my judgement. If you’re going to smoke something you might as well smoke meth”
Why are you putting that in quotes? Is it because you said it? Yes.
I’m paraphrasing you in a teasing manner.
It’s rare that anyone on here teases.
What I don’t get, PG/VG & nicotine + flavor chemicals. How the heck does lead get in there? Afaik its not used in synthesis of any of those things
The metal coil that needs to get red hot to vaporize the PG/VG.
It’s not from the coil, at least in the cases that this article is about, but other parts of the tank. Shitty manufacturing, anyways
Or just another shitty study like the one they did in Oregon where they fired the coils for 60 seconds at a time and literally melted the rigs down before measuring what chemicals off gassed from the smoldering pile of plastic and metal.
If the coil is getting red hot it’s not producing vapor anymore. Vapor is just boiled oil and the boiling happens at a lower temperature than red hot by a significant amount, and the whole system is configured that the incoming vape juice cools the coil in the process of becoming vapor. This study is about as significant as noticing that if you set the filter of a cigarette on fire it can produce extra-toxic chemicals. No shit, but that’s not how they work.
More bullshit ads for plant based vaping alternatives; cigarettes.
I’ve wrapped enough coils to know they do in fact get red hot. Ask anybody who built coils how many times they’ve had to throw away a tank full because they ran it too fast and it burnt.
You trust the disposables to supply enough juice to keep the coil from every getting red hot? You trust the coil to be made of safer metals?
I think you kinda made my point for me, once the cart has hit the temperature at which it releases those chemicals the cart is immediately ruined. This kind of goes to my ‘if you burn the whole cigarette including the filter the net result is even more toxic’. I mean, sure, but that’s really gross data manipulation.
The ruined coil is if you run it too hot for too long… You’re being naive if you think it never runs a little dry and the coils never get red hot.
If you have a tank that exposes the coil from the air hole, just look inside it and see how red it gets from a one second hit.
The coils don’t burn it’s the cotton that burns and causes dry hits and burnt flavor.
You’re splitting hairs. The coils get red hot on dry wick and it burns. The coils are overheating.
So it doesn’t need to get red hot? And in fact getting red hot is bad for it?
Yes and no. I used to build my own coils for my cloud machine. When you first build it, before putting in cotton you want to get it red hot once or twice. This serves a couple purposes. First it both expand and softens the metal so the loops are separated and the electricity has to go all the way around the individual coils. Second, it burns off whatever manufacturing residue that’s left on the wire.
Once you have a wick and juice though, it boils drawing away heat and the coil shouldn’t be getting red hot any more.
Man, I miss that first fire of a fresh coil before you’ve wicked it, letting it get red-hot and then pressing it together to solidify the shape. Watching for shorts. On complicated windings it’s always so pretty.
Glad I don’t still consume nicotine, but there were parts of the process I loved.
Yeah, it’s meditative sometimes. I look forward to missing it.
Thank you, this is the angle I needed for my brains to get it.
My take; clogged watt-limited dispossible vape doesn’t get enough airflow, burns the coil. Still not sure where the lead comes from but I get that might release metals. Thanks!
Still not sure where the lead comes from
Countries with low manufacturing standards; historically one would assume China but that’s not necessarily the case nowadays
Why is a byproduct of ‘regulations’ that don’t allow them to be manufactured in a place with reasonable safety standards. Its not too different than when the US poisoned the alcohol supply and killed or maimed a bunch of people. All they reported at the time was that alcohol/moonshine is dangerous but it was only because the government made it that way by design not something inherent to the product itself.
It implies that the heavy metals from the electrical components leech into the e-juice
Where? Why? Is it a quality control issue or an inherent danger of the technology?
Regulatory issues. Adulterants in shitty quality disposables.
Not “vaping inherently dangerous.”
the disposables are the problem. probably manufacturing or regulations. the way the coils aren’t changed, the way it sits in it, the way they use highly concentrated nicotine salts… it’s nothing like the classic refillable tank and box mods that just took regular juice with nothing but PG/VG/nicotine/flavoring
Quality control, especially of cheap vapes
Chemical composition of the resistance wire
Could also be due to soldering the resistance wire itself in place, or something else that’s in contact with the juice. These guys often ship these in international parcel shipping direct to consumer. That means a lot of shocks and they want to make sure the disposable works when whoever they sold it to(and who clicked "why of course I’m 18) so they don’t have to deal with returns. Non disposable vapes do not have solder points in any part of tank or atomizer because they’re generally assembled with o rings and threads. These are not.
It’s adulterants and the solder used. I believe you can access the study through the article itself. It should tell you some of the sources of heavy metals.
I’d be pretty surprised to see lead solder used in these applications, lead free is the defacto standard and has been for a long time. Not in vapes but any consumer electronics device.
More than likely it’s the mesh coils used having some lead present.
I hadn’t considered solder in the tank. No bueno.
People want to ingest a harmful drug and not see that as a threat to their health?
“S/He uttered into his/her social media feed before scrolling to the next topic.”
I see you’ve been triggered!
Okay Trumper.
Nicotine isn’t really harmful, aside from the rediculously addictive nature it’s what a vasoconstrictor?
Much like caffeine it has some decent properties for focus / cognitive abilities.
The main downfall is how it’s consumed by the majority of the population. Durries are overall awful. The stench, accidental burns and all the inhaling burning plant matter leading to cancer thing.
Nicotine can be bad for your cardiovascular health. It can lead to hardening of arteries over time. Vasoconstrictive effects of nicotine are also really bad for oral health and can encourage development of gingivitis/gum disease, a reminder that loss of gums can be permanent. I vape, been trying to quit, been on and off. It’s an insidious habit to kick. I won’t discount that it can be good for focus tho, lol.
Nicotine isn’t really harmful,
lol #1
Much like caffeine it has some decent properties for focus / cognitive abilities.
lol #2
lobby harder.
Hard to argue with a solid argument such as “lol.” You really showed them who’s right.
lol #3
(It was such a stupid statement, one doesn’t need to).
Yeah it’s totally because everything is “stupid” and not the fact that you have no argument outside of superficial fearmongering which falls apart under the slightest scrutiny. It’s so stupid that you keep replying with nonsense talking about how anyone else’s statements are unworthy of replying to 🙄
Doesn’t surprise me for the USA, but how does this apply to the rest of the world?
Disposable vapes are generally made in China.
One of the few benefits of Trump’s de minimus revocation is that smuggling these in through parcel shipping will significantly be reduced.
In the end though, you should be mixing your own juice and ideally wrapping your own coils if you vape. It’s easy and it’s damn cheap by comparison(what’s sold locally for 28 dollars I mix myself for 3) and you know exactly what’s in it.
AND it doesn’t involve discarding electronics and batteries with each unit.
yes! i highly recommend working towards psychologically quitting while you smoke, first and foremost, but then secondly if you’re gonna smoke only use the DIY tank mods with your own coils, and your own juice ideally.
Only problem is kanthal and cotton have gotten harder to source since everything is either dispos or smok now, have to get everything online.
That’s what I’ve done for years now. I started at the very beginning when we were using eGo batteries and Nova tanks and rewicking them with tea bags. Now I use quality kanthal that I sourced a lot of when the place I was using shut off access to the hobbiest market (they may have returned, but I don’t remember the name). There’s some sort of certification sticker on the spools of wire that specify it is Kanthal A1 which contains aluminum as the most concerning metal.
Who the fuck KNOWS what these resistance wires in the disposables are. The vape manufacturer probably doesn’t even know and really, doesn’t care. All they have to do is get close to the right resistance for each coil produced and the computer takes care of the rest. Lead makes metal bend easier so if you throw a little lead in your resistance wire it’s going to go through the machine easier.
