Sounds like something democrats could have used during the biden administration. Did they?
Frankly, it’s starting to look like democrats always have an excuse. Have a majority? Oh shucky dern, we can’t pass what we ran on but never intended to pass because of the filibuster! WOOHOO! I mean, it really is unfortunate that we can’t do anything.
Don’t have a majority? There is always some reason you can’t filibuster! WOOHOO! I mean, it really is unfortunate that we can’t do anything. Donate to put us back into power that we will refuse to use!
Yeah, they should have. Congress ended up doing the opposite, forcing him to continue funding. Democrats don’t have nearly the party unity that Republicans do around immigration, I think that’s why it keeps being leveraged as a wedge issue.
The military, the police, the prisons, ICE, TSA, DHS, CIA, NSA… any number of oppressive organizations that exist to protect the exalted status of capital.
I’m with you there but you could not have got even a simple majority of elected representatives to agree to that. It would have to be something that Democrats broadly support.
The main reason republicans are able to get better results from a filibuster than the democrats is republicans don’t give a shit about the consequences.
When there is a lapse of government funding it causes chaos in a lot of programs that tens of millions of people depend on. Even if it’s just a day, the government spends weeks preparing for it and when it’s over it’s not like flipping a switch and everything goes back to normal, there is a long recovery period. Even getting close to a lapse results in wasted effort preparing for the possibility which takes away from running the programs and harms people.
For republicans that’s an added benefit to a point, not something to be avoided so they will hold out until they get a large portion of what they want. Democrats have to weigh the pain and suffering from a lapse against getting concessions so their thresholds are different.
But as absentbird said, that doesn’t really apply here because rescission isn’t something that democrats are going to use often.
The main reason republicans are able to get better results from a filibuster than the democrats is republicans don’t give a shit about the consequences.
The democrats get the results they want from the filibuster. It blocks progressive legislation and that’s all it’s for.
Sounds like something democrats could have used during the biden administration. Did they?
Frankly, it’s starting to look like democrats always have an excuse. Have a majority? Oh shucky dern, we can’t pass what we ran on but never intended to pass because of the filibuster! WOOHOO! I mean, it really is unfortunate that we can’t do anything.
Don’t have a majority? There is always some reason you can’t filibuster! WOOHOO! I mean, it really is unfortunate that we can’t do anything. Donate to put us back into power that we will refuse to use!
Well a rescission package can only be used to cut spending, so it couldn’t have been used by the Democrats to pass new spending.
What do you think they should have used it to cut?
The funding for trump’s wall.
Yeah, they should have. Congress ended up doing the opposite, forcing him to continue funding. Democrats don’t have nearly the party unity that Republicans do around immigration, I think that’s why it keeps being leveraged as a wedge issue.
The military, the police, the prisons, ICE, TSA, DHS, CIA, NSA… any number of oppressive organizations that exist to protect the exalted status of capital.
Why would democrats ever defund any of those? They don’t even seriously dislike any of them.
That’s my point. Democrats don’t have the best interest of working people in their hearts.
I’m with you there but you could not have got even a simple majority of elected representatives to agree to that. It would have to be something that Democrats broadly support.
Isn’t that the point of this thread? That Democrats don’t support the working class?
I thought you were saying they were ineffective at enacting their agenda because they didn’t use rescission packages.
If we’re talking about what you just said I have no quarrel.
The main reason republicans are able to get better results from a filibuster than the democrats is republicans don’t give a shit about the consequences.
When there is a lapse of government funding it causes chaos in a lot of programs that tens of millions of people depend on. Even if it’s just a day, the government spends weeks preparing for it and when it’s over it’s not like flipping a switch and everything goes back to normal, there is a long recovery period. Even getting close to a lapse results in wasted effort preparing for the possibility which takes away from running the programs and harms people.
For republicans that’s an added benefit to a point, not something to be avoided so they will hold out until they get a large portion of what they want. Democrats have to weigh the pain and suffering from a lapse against getting concessions so their thresholds are different.
But as absentbird said, that doesn’t really apply here because rescission isn’t something that democrats are going to use often.
The democrats get the results they want from the filibuster. It blocks progressive legislation and that’s all it’s for.