They literally just voted differently and you’re trying to pretend they’re the same? What the fuck is wrong with you, are you slow?
They literally just had 4 years to release them. It’s not like the idea of this list is brand new.
Ghislaine Maxwell was arrested during the first Trump administration. No list release. She was tried and sentenced during the Biden administration. No list release. Now we’re back to Trump.
Not slow, correct.
Not exactly. We all saw how the recent votes went.
That’d be more compelling if the previous Administration hadn’t sat on it too.
The previous administration didn’t use the release of the files as a cornerstone of their campaign.
What about ism at it’s finest.
Dems voted to release, right voted against. That’s a pretty clear picture.
It’s a shame it being the right thing to do isn’t reason enough though isn’t it?
“We’re not going to go after sex traffickers and child rapists because we didn’t promise we would.”
“We didn’t promise to make an extraordinary release of evidence to the public for PR reasons”
This proposed release isn’t even the ‘right thing’ to do, it’s just yet another thing that the GOP promised and pulled back on because they realized it might hurt them - in this case, might hurt them because probably a few of their higher ups or donors are on that list.
Just want to confirm here, you’re saying that going after sex traffickers and child rapist isn’t the right thing to do?
Just want to confirm here, you’re saying that going after sex traffickers and child rapist isn’t the right thing to do?
I’m saying the release of the files to the public isn’t ‘going after’ sex traffickers and child rapists.
I disagree. I think if they made those lists public it would be impossible not to go after them. Not by everyone mind you, but some people would. Whether it’s just ambitious young prosecutors or Mobs with pitchforks. I don’t really care either way. Certainly it’s going after the more than anything that has been done so far.
However and I want to say this again the Biden Administration didn’t go after a single person. I don’t care how much you hate Donald Trump you shouldn’t defend that. They’re all protecting pedophiles. That’s not okay. The idea that political blinders causes you to justify that is a problem. Children shouldn’t have to be raped with impunity so that your team wins. This Thread has been eye opening in an extremely depressing way for me.
Democrats didn’t release it because it doesn’t just hurt Republicans, it hurts Democrats and the rich.
Republicans won’t release it because it doesn’t just hurt Democrats, it hurts Republicans and the rich.
The Catholic Church keeps its own list; no need to meddle.
What we’re seeing here with Epstien is all the cross party collaboration we desperately crave, but instead of fixing something useful, like the opiod crisis, or homelessness, it’s to let abusers go unpunished.
The fuck is this bothsides shite, Jesus fucking Christ.
I’ve seen no less than 3 blatant both sides bullshit posts today alone.
Maybe someone got marching orders.
I’m not going as far as saying that all are “protecting pedophiles” and I am usually very critical of the “both sides” argument, but in this case, we have evidence that “both sides” have at least connections with Epstein, with names showing in logs of the so called “Lolita Express”. I think that there is no doubt that in this case, people with connections with “both sides” of the US political spectrum, may be on the line here, and at the very least were complicit in turning a blind eye, which is not as egregious as actively hide, but still morally reprehensible!
The DNC is not out here protecting pedophiles at present.
There are Dems who were involved in Epstein’s pedophile ring, certainly.
But this is not a matter of policy, and when Dems are making efforts to release the evidence wrt Epstein, saying that they’re ‘protecting pedophiles’ along with the GOP, which is overwhelmingly blocking the attempt even after previously promising to release the evidence is utter braindead “bothsides” shite.
Yes I agree with you… Can’t tell you how much I have argued with my fellow members in the LGBTQ+ community over the dumbass comments Chapell Roan or whatever is her name made just prior to the election. I think there are certainly reasons to why democrats should be criticized, but the “bothsidism” is just a false equivalence.
She “supported” Harris but declined to “endorse” her if memory serves.
Less bad than the alternative of staying silent, but bizarre in the face of literal fascism.
Not that it ultimately made a difference, of course. Even Taylor Swift’s fanbase wasn’t enough, it would seem.
She only released a message later on, after the huge backlash she received, for the interview she gave. She stated she would not endorse any party but would vote for Harris. I don’t have any issue if she is not endorsing anyone, she has no obligation to. But considering she’s a role model and an idol for many in the LGBTQ+ community and specially trans folks, I found her “both sides” comment idiotically stupid and cognitively dissonant. That’s what pissed me off. Now, LGBTQ+ folks, are seeing the result of that “bothsidism”.
Also why I kinda disconnected myself from US politics… I look at memes, laugh and that’s it! I no longer have the mental bandwidth to have discussions with people that think that defending such comments are in any way conductive to progress their own rights.
Hi, welcome to Lemmy.
The most important thing here is not to get caught that you are the same… And quietly or instinctively support your friends. :3
What specifically has the DNC done to protect pedophiles?
Are you serious? Can’t be.
I’m serious. I know the DNC has done some shady stuff but I haven’t heard anything about protecting pedophiles. Lay it out for me.
Don’t worry, the Pizzagate Conspiracy is making a comeback. We’re going to be able to enjoy all the greatest hits of the late 2010s
fuck someone kill me please
I want off this ride.
I knew you’d get the reference.
Many prominent rich elites are presumed clients of Epstein, including major DNC players and donors such as Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Hunter Biden, and Stephen King.
Epstein was murdered in 2019, and earlier that year was when his penthouse was raided and all the video evidence recovered. The perps appearing in these videos, as well as those documented in flight logbooks and journal entries, are all implicated to some degree or another. So, we’ve had “the list” be known since Trump 1.
Biden took office in 2020, and was apparently struggling to nail Trump on treason charges even though he literally incited the riot at the capitol on Jan 6. So since Biden’s justice dept failed to convict Trump on those charges, and refused to investigate Trump’s financial crimes (the second, more important half of the Mueller report), then it stands to reason that releasing the Epstein list would be the next best thing to ensure Trump never took office again. This was Biden’s stated mission, mind you.
So, why didn’t Biden release those files? The Dems didn’t hardly mention Epstein at all during Biden’s term - in fact, Trump ended up campaigning on releasing this information as a re-election strategy. Another utter failure in messaging by the dems at the least, at most - obviously part of the cover up. And now that Trump is back in full force, any credible evidence we did have has likely been destroyed by now. Except of course Mossad’s copy.
It’s an ugly truth that our world is run by rich pedos, and Epstein ran a massive blackmail operation on virtually all of them. These people don’t give a shit about team R or D, but they all agree this Epstein information will never see the light of day.
Stephen King is a major player in the DNC?
You gotta remember that these people spouting this have very little to work off of, so they’re gonna use anything they can.
Not exactly, I lumped him into this small group because of recent developments (which are supremely disappointing imo). King is a long time DNC donor, and was a massive and consistent critic of Trump. Now all of the sudden, he finally defends something Trump does and did so quite forcefully - and that thing is covering up of the Epstein files.
In my opinion, anyone who’s rich and powerful and is now suddenly coming out defending this coverup is basically telling on themselves for being implicated. In King’s case there’s a basis for this based on some of the stuff he wrote in It, iykyk.
OK that’s all fair. I feel like Biden and the DNC are different subgroups of democrats but they’re obviously connected.
Still, like the rest of this scandal it’s a lot of smoke and not much fire. I’m not saying it’s wrong but when you’re accusing people of protecting pedophiles I think hard evidence is best.
The problem is, they’re burning all that evidence.
Those that are in power could just legalize it and there would be nothing we could do. They don’t seem to care about the will of the people any other time.
I think doing the most depraved heinous illegal shit is part of the appeal for them. It really drives home that they are above the law.
If they would legalize it, the same could be done to their children and then they will not find it so funny anymore.
Exactly. Remember they’re pushing for age verification and/or shutting down porn sites. Their fetish is power
The way i imagine it, if they legalized it, most people would complain a lot.
So they want things to stay peaceful (or the illusion thereof) without making much noise. So they do it in secret. Does that make sense?
The problem is that their enforcers have no humanity (never have, they’re literally the cultural descendants of the slave patrols, lol), their supportive communities maybe a tiny bit more but not by much, and those two groups constitute a plurality, if not a majority, of the US.
“We’ve” been telling everyone about this for years, while the rest of the world suffered America, its Western European vassals and Israel. But with the rise of multipolarity/multinodality, it’s just more feasible and financially convenient for the American ruling classes to pillage, rob and subdue at home.
When it says “THE” Church, you know it means the One True Holy and Catholic Church
And JW and LDS…
The important take away is DO NOT VOTE FOR ANY DEMOCRATIC CANIDATES! STAY HOME OR VOTE THIRD PARTY (DOESN’T MATTER WHICH, AS LONG AS IT’S NOT THS DEM!)
Just fuck right off with that shit. Staying home is how we ended up with Trump. Primary their asses.
i think it may have been sarcasm?
hard to tell on the internet …
Don’t ask about their right arm workout routine either.
