• Ricky Rigatoni@retrolemmy.com
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    publishing this article three days before independance day is terrorism

    edit: two days. Somehow I thought the fourth of july was on the fifth.

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    I felt shitty, I made changes to my diet and exercise, I feel much better now.

    It doesn’t take research to convince me that processed foods, especially industrial, large scale, profit-above-all-else, processed food is bad for me.

    These results shouldn’t surprise anyone, and I don’t think they do. But, people will find excuses to keep doing unhealthy things they enjoy, and that is their prerogative.

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      Some of this food isn’t great for you, but if you only have it now and then it shouldn’t be a problem.

      Moderation and a diverse diet is key.

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    Jokes on them. I do tons of unsafe shit, and probably only one of those things is going to kill me. There will be no accountability for 99.9% of the bad behavior, including unregulated hotdog intake. Suckers.

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    I’m not a nutritional epidemiologist.

    But I’ve started to get into learning about it in the last few months.

    It’s really starting to feel like this is a giant bullshit field, and as much as they are trying to find useful results, there’s something severely wrong with how they seem to arbitrarily assign causality and correlation.

    In a contrived example: “People who live near power lines have more cancer” - “No, poor people live near power lines because they’re poor, and poor people have more cancer”

    What are the kind of people that eat processed hot dogs? I can promise you they are not millionaires. I can promise you it’s not people who can afford filet mignon but decide to have a steamed hot dog. It’s not people who work out and take care of their bodies. It’s not people who cook.

    So when a study is done like this, what answer are you actually getting? probably finding out that the type of people who eat processed meat are more prone to these conditions for a variety of considerations that are just totally left out of the analysis.

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      Basically: wanna live healthy and forever? Just become a billionaire! If you don’t want to live healthy then I guess that’s your choice to make.

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        The EMF from power lines was a real mind virus that went around when I was a teenager!

        I’ve been alive too long and have seen this pattern play out again, and again, and again. Feeling a little sad right now, actually.

        For another example: all my life the common sense accepted wisdom, supported by real dermatologists was that to keep the likelihood of skin cancer to a minimum there is zero known healthy level of sun exposure. Well that’s all out the f’king window in 2025 because we now know the deleterious effects of insufficient sun exposure are vastly more severe compared to an increased morbidity for types of skin cancer.

        I don’t want to be mr critical, but… there’s something wrong in our whole approach to these “studies” and I don’t know what fixes it. Any experts wanna help describe what I’m getting at with the right technical language?

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      Yes, poor people eat poor quality food more often but the food is bad either way.

      Here’s a good tip, look at allllll of the specific foods that a doctor would tell a pregnant person to avoid. Non-pregnant people should also avoid them, and processed meats have been on that list for a long time.

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        21 hours ago

        that’s not true. pregnant people are told to stay away from sushi because of immunity with raw fish. you should also not eat papaya while pregnant because it can cause premature contractions. you’re making a very broad generalization that the recommendation to pregnant people is completely nutrition based, but there’s many factors when growing a life inside you.

        like in early pregnancy, you eat foods high in choline. that’s not because foods low in choline are bad for you, but because during early fetal development, choline builds neural tubes

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          Sure there are exceptions. You haven’t made any point about whether processed meats cause poor health outcomes though. They do, and its been shown over and over again, but people don’t like someone telling them they have bad habits.

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            that’s not the point i was addressing in my comment though, i agree processed foods a very bad. and poorer people are more likely to eat them. there’s no debate there from me.

            i was only addressing your broad generalization of looking at all food doctors recommend for pregnant people to avoid. while it does include lots of bad and unhealthy foods, these recommendations also include foods that are directly related to fetal development, hormone changes, etc

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    Ya well in the 70s and 80s this was what we as kids were given to eat.

    I’m paying for that now

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      The hot dog was supposed to be an example. A more common one is lunch meat, which some people do eat every day.

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        Fair point. My kid eats a lot of turkey sandwiches.

        Anyone know the conversion rate of turkey slices to hotdogs?

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          Well if you roll up a Turkey slice its about the same size? Hard to say though, it varies by brand and region. Most of this stuff doesnt apply outside the US as much either as food standards tend to be very low in the states.

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      I suggest you don’t visit West Virginia…

      Each year, West Virginians consume 481 hot dogs per capita, according to 24/7 Wall St. That means the average West Virginian eats more than one hot dog a day. Illinois locals love their Chicago dog, and they didn’t even come close to West Virginia’s annual hot dog consumption, hitting 317 per capita.

      https://www.tastingtable.com/1887834/west-virginia-most-hot-dogs/

      Coincidentally West Virginia has an obesity rate of 41%.

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        I feel like the west virginia statistic may be heavily biased by what a poor family might feed a child. I remember my parents using hot dogs for ‘cheap’ meat that could be doctored into meals that my picky toddler ass would eat.

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      While I’m sure they meant a hotdog sized amount per day… yeah, thats terrible wording. When I eat hot dogs I might eat 2 or 3 at a cook out or something… then not eat hotdogs for like 3 months. They could have evoked the “amount” better. And even then… who eats that much ultra processed meat?

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          how is bacon ultra processed meat? bacon is just part of a pig in the same way that loin or rump are. Unless US bacon is just reconstituted corn syrup like most of their stuff seems to be.

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            the curing process introduces carcinogenic nitrates, which is a similar risk factor, if I understand correctly

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            All bacon worldwide is processed meat because it’s treated to preserve shelf life.

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                The real difference in butcher bacon is that they get the better cut of meat. The cheaper cut goes into the sliced packages for grocery stores.

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                I sure hope not. Sodium nitrite is one of the ‘problematic’ compounds and is used when curing meat, especially to prevent the bacteria that produces botulinum toxin from growing. While nitrites may kill you slowly, botulism can kill you much faster.

                The problem with food that contains the botulism bacteria is that you don’t notice it. It doesn’t look or smell any different. Any meat that wasn’t cured using a specific minimum percentage of sodium nitrite is not to be trusted.

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    It’s also important to note that the studies included in the analysis were observational, meaning that the data can only show an association between eating habits and disease –– not prove that what people ate caused the disease

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    7% increase of an already small chance in exchange for 1 hotdog/day doesn’t sound that bad to me.

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      It never seems that bad unless you’re in that small percent. Cancer’s a damned awful way to die.

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        Sure but there are a ton of things, genetic, environmental, dietary, neurochemical, etc. that can contribute to the development of cancer. You can do literally everything right and end up in the exact same place as someone who did all the wrong things because the causes are innumerable and many are literally unavoidable.

        Would I regret my choices if I got cancer after I did all the things the studies say would increase my odds? Of course I would. Would I regret my choices if did everything “right” and still got cancer? Of course I would. But that’s because being in that position inherently biased you against your past. If I did all the wrong things I would regret that I indulged too much, and if I did all the right things I would regret that I never really indulged at all and enjoyed life fully. Either way you got shafted. You’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

        But to me it’s better to just live intentionally but without having this constant concern about every single thing I eat, drink, or breath maybe, possibly, eventually contributing to developing cancer. Like I’m not about to start smoking, I rarely drink, I try to eat enough veggies, etc. because those things have much more tangible direct consequences that I’m mindful of, and I’m not about to eat a hotdog every day mostly because I’m a really good cook and that sounds sad as fuck. But the next time I do eat a hotdog, a salami, or a Reuben sandwich, I promise you that no part of my mind is going to be worrying that it will give me cancer. Constant dread is its own form of cancer and life’s too short and uncertain to live with that shit 24/7.